Restored (False) apostles “commission” Fraud Todd Bentley.
The Truth is finally shining through.
Ananias and Ananias prove these men – False prophets
by Gregory P. Garwood
My ministry in compliance with 2 Corinthians 11:12 – 15
“12And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us [ The Foundational Apostles ] in the things they boast about. 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.”
In a recent article on abusive churches I compared two churches in particular, the Saddleback Church, lead by pythonic pastor Rick Warren and the Hopewell Network of Churches, one of which I attended. Hopewell is guided by that rascally radical and “Lead apostle,” Lester Zimmerman. The Hopewell Church from which I escaped is Hopewell Christian Fellowship Telford, PA. Hopewell Christian Fellowship has the distinct privilege of being lead by “Team apostle” Curt Malizzi. Malizzi serves under Lester Zimmerman who is a member of the International Coalition of apostles. (ICa) The ICa is headed by “Presiding apostle” C. Peter Wagner. I stress the importance of the connection of all of these men because it’s frightening to see how easily deceived the contemporary church has been. It’s frightening to see just how far within the contemporary church the tentacles of this evil hoard have entangled themselves. In my case from Wagner and Warren all the way down to Curt Malizzi of the Hopewell Network of Churches. The roster of influence ascended in this order;
Curt Malizzi “Team Apostle” of Hopewell Christian Fellowship Telford, PA answers to that rascally radical, Lester Zimmerman.
Lester Zimmerman, “Lead apostle” of the Hopewell Network of Churches and card carrying member of the Association of Radical Church Networks LLC, (what ever that may be,) answers to C. Peter Wagner.
C. Peter Wagner, “Presiding apostle” of the International Coalition of apostles has a heavy influence on Rick Warren as he was and is Warren‘s mentor. (Note the grandiose titles they lavish on themselves.)
Like Wagner and Warren, Rick Joyner has a very pompous, arrogant attitude toward anyone who questions his elitist, mystical, psychotic imaginations of grandeur and godhood. Rick Warren and Rick Joyner bring us full circle because Warren’s embrace of any and every example of spirituality throws the contemporary church into confusion because most believers today have bought hook, line and sinker the experiential mystical poison of spiritualism these frauds spew over the solid, sound, biblical Spirituality we read in the Word of God.
Mark 13: 22 – 23 22 “
Acts 5: “ 3Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?”
We also know that true Prophets of God speak for God and their words come into complete fulfillment EVERY TIME as we continue to read in the book of Acts. This man is also named Ananias.
Acts 22:12-16 “12″A man named Ananias came to see me. He was a devout observer of the law and highly respected by all the Jews living there. 13He stood beside me and said, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight!’ And at that very moment I was able to see him. 14″Then he said: ‘The God of our fathers has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth. 15You will be his witness to all men of what you have seen and heard. 16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
Everything that Ananias proclaimed would come to pass DID come to pass! Ananias wasn’t 65% correct as the present day false apostles would like you to believe is acceptable, he wasn’t 85% correct, Ananias was 100% correct as any true Prophet will be when speaking for God.
Wagner, Joyner and Arnot have proven themselves false and fraudulent for two basic reasons.
First, Wagner, in his superior wisdom and discernment, chose to wholeheartedly endorse the now proven liar and fraud Todd Bentley of the Lakeland Florida “Revival” in an “apostolic alignment ceremony!”
To quote C. Peter Wagner on Bentley:
“This commissioning represents a powerful spiritual transaction taking place in the invisible world. With this in mind, I take the apostolic authority that God has given me and I decree to Todd Bentley, your power will increase, your authority will increase, your favor will increase, your influence will increase, your revelation will increase.” (When did God give Wagner “apostolic authority?” NEVER!) Wagner is NO Apostle. He’s a classic aposthole.
Secondly, nothing “Decreed” by Wagner came to pass. NOTHING! Bentley’s power, authority, favor, influence and “revelation” have been stripped by Holy God! This is a fact because it happened. God took Bentley out because Bentley (Tattoos, improper relationship with a female assistant and all!) was a fraud! Joyner, in his Morning Star Ministries web sight, (Special Bulletin #13) over looks this fact in a futile attempt to defend Bentley. Joyner hopes that somehow, in the future, in some convoluted way, he can paint the “apostolic alignment” and “Wagner decree” as legitimate. Joyner also offers a very obvious and laughable tact of intimidation against the truth seekers when he continues in Special Bulletin #13 “Those who rush to judgment, or are hasty to take action, are not treated kindly in Scripture, and are likely to pay a high and unnecessary price for it.” (Rick Joyner, Morning Star Ministries.) What a feeble attempt at damage control. I laugh at Joyner. It would actually be sad if it weren’t so humorous. Make me pay Joyner! I challenge you! I’m a lone voice in the wilderness exposing the truth! What are you going to do about me Joyner? NOTHING!
Wagner, Warren and Joyner claim to have equal discernment with the foundational Apostles who wrote the New Testament. These men are wrong. These men were fooled by a satanic deceiver in Todd Bentley. By their error, through being fooled, they prove with out a doubt that they have no discernment! Truth and discernment, like Godly prophesy, is 100% correct or it isn’t discernment and truth! There ARE absolutes with God! By Joyner’s words, Wagner, Warren and company are saying that they are superior to the foundational Apostles. If these guys were superior and were fooled, (And each and every one of them was fooled by Bam Bam Bentley.) the foundational Apostles must have also been fooled sometimes. That would mean that the Word of God was written by fools and would be open to error. Right? If Wagner, Warren and Joyner are equal to or superior to the foundational Apostles and they blew it, imagine how foolish the foundational Apostles were? These men are attempting to rewrite history as well as the Word of God. They may not say so, but their actions, through aberrant beliefs and quotes, are doing the damage for them. They are attempting to hollow out the integrity of Holy Scriptures that has carried the church since its inception. One must question their authenticity given the obvious lack of discernment on the character of Bentley.
Satan desperately wants to destroy Jesus Christ and who does Jesus say he is? The Word! Right? Doesn’t it stand to reason that Satan will attack first the Word of God? That’s what these men are doing. By proclaiming THEMSELVES equal with the Foundational Apostles, they have attempted, in essence, to render the Word of God ineffective and diluted. By the action of proclaiming their legitimacy the “restored apostles” are nothing more than Satan’s tools in a flawed attempt to gut the Word of God. These men are very cleaver. They speak the Word of God (Taken out of context) against the Word of God, in a feeble attempt to redefine the Word of God in hopes of rendering the Word of God void, useless and meaningless. By usurping the authority of the writers of the Word of God, (Apostles) these men attempt to render the validity of the word of God impotent. By virtue of the fact that Wagner, Joyner and Arnot ALL lacked discernment proves that they are liars and false prophets. They also prove that they are false servants of God because NOTHING they “decreed” came to pass. These false prophets and apostholes are sent by Satan, as the bible says they will be. These men are actually fulfillment of scripture. Jesus told us the false ones would come. Jesus told us to be watchful and wary of them. Test all things to scripture. They have come and we must be aware of them and avoid them at all costs.
Revelation 2:2
“I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.”
They had no discernment!
Nothing they said came to pass!
The Lord Took Bentley down!
Their undoing will be their own.
They are false and should not be feared!
They are false and they should not be respected!
They are false and God WILL bring them down in His time!
Gregory P. Garwood
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always remember splinters and planks.Problem is there and it is hugh and we are all guilty,because each of us from the least to the greatest forgot the command of the Father:).In conferences to hundreds of pastors in the last ten years,I have not met one who remembered the command.if the leaders do not know the prime directive what can the followers do?It was not until 10 years after I met Jesus that I learnt of the command..I spent ten years listening to men like these,tithing to build the church,started businesses,went bankrupt..then the Holy Spirit reminded me of the command and my sin..I listened to everybody else including Moses but not solely to Jesus first.The men you mentioned probably couldn’t answer this question straight off either.”what is the God’s command to disciples of Christ?’..I hope you can..it’s math:17:5…even Peter forgot to include it in his letter. For even the foundational 11 failed many times to listen to Jesus with disastrous consequences. You will see what I mean if you read all four renderings of the feeding of the 5000. Jesus ask them to see what they have,and they take an offering from a little boy,Jesus tells them to go immediately to bethsaida and they wait until evening and go to Capernaum,only to be caught in a storm..Peter walked on water ,yes..but no one repented of their disobedience.
gethsamane..stay awake and they slept.
resuurection morning..go to galille,and they went to the tomb
locked room..wait in the city..they go fishing
wait for the Holy Spirit..he will tell you what he has heard..they select mathias by the lot before the HOoy Spirit arrives..and so on and so on..no one is perfect..because no one listened like Mary, and anticipated His need and anointed him for his burial.
So what to do?I do not know these men nor have I been able to speak to them face to face (Math18),but this is what I do to every apostle I meet..as the Ephesians did,test them to see if they are real first..apply the tests for a true apostle as taught by Paul,the only apostle who had experience in the epistles with false apostles..if a prophet is dangerous,an apostle is even more dangerous..be they true or false.many who claim to be apostle or are acknowledged as apostles..are great and sincere men of God who have a ministry of signs ,wonders,and miracles done with great perseverance and humility,and they have even seen Jesus..they may have planted many churches and done great ministry winning souls. All these an apostle DO NOT MAKE.there are only 6 signs..the number of men. The final,and indeed the first sign of a true apostle is that they must have a gospel of their own that they did not recieve from men or angels but from Jesus directly or the Father as in the case of Peter(gal 1:11). I met with a brother the other day..who called himself an apostle,teacher evangelist the other day..and I asked him in friendly conversation..you are an apostle? Yes ,he said,I function apostolically..see? he did not answer the question.So I said..what’s your gospel?..He said ..Jesus..I said that’s everyone’s gospel..no,what’s your gospel? Then his wife,bless her said..you mean like paul’s galatian 1:11..Yes,I said..then the pastor said no, I do not have such a gospel( and praise God for repentant men)..he then said..I am only a potential apostle then, I am wrong. We had a wonderful time in fellowship ,in fact he will be staring a new pioneer work in the back yard of my office building on octtober 12.
So..if any one has access to these apostles face to face..ask them the Gal 1:11 test,better for us to test them then for them to meet with Paul and the Ephesians.
As for us..I suggest,you tell every to go back to listening to Jesus,practice his words until John14:12 is fulfilled and manifesting..because if every fellowship was doing what Jesus has been going,there would be no need for spectacles like lakeland..it would only have been a local challenge for that church. Since 2000,the power of God has manifested at everyone of our meetings..with blind man seeing(5.3.05) with social security and medical verification,cripples healed,lame walking,dyslexic healed,diabetic healed all with medical verification..and even more failures..but Jesus did say..Practice..didn’t he not succeed
Do not worry about the false,where there is the false,there is the real//and God has his real apostles..men who have seen Jesus,who have recieved a gospel from Him, not one from men,angels or they have made up,with real power to open blind eyes, to stop storms,to multiply the food.. men that cause demons to yell out..”What do you want with us,son of God!!” men who can do what Jesus has been doing and even greater things..and yes ,ladies..women too..in fact there are more women than the men this time, because the 11 failed to acknowledge Mary ,who had her own gospel but they thought she was mad.visit us at Holy Spirit’s workshop,goole will take you there on the net.
Dr.Ed,a footstool of the Lord Jesus Christ
And when I come, I wil see what power these men have ..Paul
tragic but necessary,because the false prophet must be raised and do what he is permitted to do and Jesus can return..the Todd and peter spectacular. As I have read so far,NAR’s definition of apostles would leave them in a lot of hot water with Paul and the ephesians..I have not seen any of them with a personnal gospel like Paul’s in Gal.1:11.The foundational apostles were no doubt the best of their times,predestined by the Father for Jesus..but they were not perfect.In fact the eleven had a habit of not listening to Jesus, they went to capernaum after the feeding of the 5000 instead of going to bethsaida,and when the Lord turned up in the middle of the lake for them ,not one of them repented, they didn’t go to galilee on resurrection morning,didn’t wait in the city for the Holy Spirit but went fishing,didn’t wait for the Holy Spirit to tell them who would replace Judas,but chose matthias with a dice game..in fact they were heading for such disaster that paul and Barnabbas had to be set aside by the Holy Spirit for a special task…even in Galatia, Peter was led into hypocrisy by men from James,and barnabbas was led astray by them, and Paul had to confront peter face to face.Worse of all by the time Jesus dictated His letters to John,most of the churches were devoid of miraculous power..same as what we are today..so when there was even a sniff of the miraculous at lakeland, the starving sheep rushed there..when you are hungry, you’d eat astrotuff for grass.It is not discernment we lack..it is power,real miraculous power, to the point that not only do the blind really see, but those who lie to the Holy Spirit drop dead.if any of the teleevangelists had real power, I AM SURE YOUR GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE already recruitted them for the cold war . Imagine the power to change water to good wine being used to change plutonium to lead in soviet warheads..power to heal the sick and to raise the dead now in the middle east. Any one who has real power would tell those they have healed not to tell anyone,like Jesus did and not show off on tv.Peter and co are prophesying their fantasies..but there are real apostles on the earth now..men with firstly their own gospel from the Lord like Paul’s, with power..real power, to prepare the earth not just the church for the arrival of Jesus Christ. So keep up the good fight, and remember it’s all about glorifying Him.dr.ed,a footstool of Jesus.
Too many false persons try to define God solely based on their own limited personal experiences, knowledge, and if it did not happen to them it cannot happen to anyone else…
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/relgion-finding-out-the-facts-discovering-the-truth/
Well said Edmond!
We would like to direct your attention to a new article posted on the web site wwww.aworldeceived.ca entitled: Rick Warren – pastor of Saddleback Church. Click on aricles and then the subject article. Direct link is
http://www.aworlddeceived.ca/articles/rwarren.html
We look forward to answer any questions you may have.
Andy G. van den Berg
OK, bless you – but this seems really harsh. Christians are not perfect. Pastors are not 100% accurate in their understanding of the Word – or they would all agree. Teachers are not 100% accurate in their understanding of the Word – or they would all agree. The prophetic movement may not be in maturity. I cannot agree that a person must be perfect, or they are not in an office. For example, I believe that the prophets of today (that are true) are called to speak forth the Word and edify in different ways. To be sure, we must be careful of error. But I don’t think it’s a fair evaluation to say things must be 100%. We are all to judge what they say – not “buy it” hookline and sinker. Rather, we are to know that they are human. Also, a truly “false prophet” is a person who is a false Christian, imo, etc. I think they have teaching errors relative to authority that are prevalent throughout, imo, the charismatic church. But those errors need to be corrected – not born-again Christians, imo,attacked. I don’t know which of these are born-again and which are not. But we do have to make a difference between a brother caught in sin (who we restore) and a truly false brother.
I’m very sorry you were hurt. I think the charismatic churches, in general, are cultish in their set ups. I think it’s because they have false foundation at their base. It doesn’t mean they aren’t born-again. It means they have not learned and engrafted by the Spirit, imo, sound doctrine.
I know they would hurt me if I went to their churches – so I don’t. Their authority doctrines are hierarchal and overlording and oppressive, imo.
I pray your soul finds complete healing – and I hope you do not take me as being critical of you for speaking out. Sometimes it is healing to protest things that are wrong. I pray we all have the heart of God in earnestly contending for the faith.
Grace to you,
Laura